Monday, October 8, 2007

Peace in Jerusalem?

Do you think Jerusalem should be divided?
No 50% 11,695
Yes 39% 9,195
I'm not sure 11% 2,579
AOL News Poll

I would love to wake-up one morning and hear that Peace had finally found it's way to Israel. And by peace I mean, not just a lull in violence, but the Israelis and Palestinians experiencing the kind of good relations the U.S. enjoys with Canada.
Yes I do believe that such a peace would be good for all parties, just as believe that the bloodshed in the Middle East has caused pain and suffering throughout the region and world as a whole. Yes I want peace, even if the price includes giving up hard-fought-lands, and unequal concessions.

That said there has to be a division between what you will give up for peace, and what you will give up for the "Possibility" of peace.

On Monday, October 8th, a representative of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that his government would support a division of Jerusalem.

Such a division is a key component of an Israeli-Palestinian declaration, which will be the cornerstone of the U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace conference scheduled in November. The expression, “God is in the details”, never seamed truer, than in any sort of plan to divide the holiest and most controversial parcel of land on the planet. How do you divide Territories separated not just by natural geographic boundaries, like rivers and hills; but also by thousands of year of history- land that has been fought over in countless battles over the millenniums.
Haim Ramon, Deputy Vice Prime Minister of Israel, has proposed turning over many of the Arab neighborhoods of east Jerusalem to the Palestinians, but Israel would not transfer control of the Holy City and neighborhoods around it to the Palestinians According to Ramon, it is these areas that could be the capital of a future Palestinian state.
This is the land, which Israel captured from Jordan, when attacked, in the 1967 Mideast war. As for what Israel would receive in exchange for giving up land; the international community, including Arab states, would recognize Israel's sovereignty over Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem as well as it's right to call those areas of the city it's capital.
According to Ramon, even the hawkish elements of Olmert's coalition, such as Avigdor Lieberman, a Cabinet Minister of the Yisrael Beiteinu Party, would back such an Israeli concession. Ramon as so spoke of support from The centrist Labor Party
"There are two central parties that agree to this," Ramon told Army Radio. "The most important thing is to preserve the state of Israel Jewish and democratic."

There is no question but that having Arab states, recognize not just Israel's "right to exist, but the' re sovereignty over Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem and the right to define those areas it's capital, would be a major step towards Peace.
In part as a diversion, many other conflicts have been linked to a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Any true movement has the potential to break logjams in several other regional negotiations. All of which has the potential to be very positive.
The real question is "Will Israel be giving up land for peace, or just giving up land as the admission price for entering the room. If they give up control over a large part of Jerusalem before the Mideast peace conference even begins, what will they be asked to give up by the close of the conference? Who will speak for the Palestinians, Will it be Hamas? What about Gaza? Will al-Qaida allow a peace to take hold?
Yes, I would love to wake-up one morning and hear that Peace had finally found it's way to Israel, but I have my doubts it will occur in the near future.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

I share your doubts.

In fact, I remain convinced the Muslims don't want peace. They want what the Koran tells them to want: That all infidels must either live under Muslim rule, convert or die. Everything they do is a tactic to eventually get them to this conclusion.

We continue to fail to understand them. At our own risk. We continue to apply western thought process, western attitude toward a tribal culture / medieval religion that rejects rational, fact-based compromise. Nothing will satisfy them.

Until the Muslim world goes through their own "reformation", they will remain the key obstacle to peace in the world. I continue to believe the Israeli strategy of separation (and the sharing of Jerusalem flies in the face of this direction), done on a larger scale, is the only way to avoid what's been called the "clash of cultures".

Did you see the article in today's Trib by Sam Harris and Salman Rushdie? Continues to make my point...

Also, articles on Australia's PM were interesting ... he and his cabinet basically saying you're welcome in Australia, but only if you wish to live in OUR culture. If you want Sharia law, go to a country that practices it.

Alan R

Anonymous said...

"GIVE PEACE A CHANCE"

If the people of Israel really want PEACE, here is their chance to prove it.

Everything has a price, including PEACE. Sometimes you have to give to get. The Palestinians have been treated horribly for many years.
I am glad to see that President Bush is leading the world toward PEACE.

Carol Q-T Wilson

Larry said...

Miss Q-T,

I do agree that Peace is the desired outcome.

If the people of Israel really want PEACE, here is their chance to prove it.

Everything has a price, including PEACE. Sometimes you have to give to get.


Yes, but Israel has a history of "Giving" but still not finding peace. Israel walked out of Lebanon, but rather than getting Peace, they got hit with rockets. Rockets launched from the very spots they turned over.

The Palestinians have been treated horribly for many years.

Yes, but they were treated worse by Jordan and other Arab states.

I am glad to see that President Bush is leading the world toward PEACE.


I'm glad to see the White house is doing something. I'm not sure I would agree that Bush has been an "Instrument of peace"

Look, I totally get that this is as difficult a conflict as it gets. It is insane to assume there is some easy answer- a "Silver Bullet" Yes all have to be willing to "Pay the price" but I still have my doubts that there has been a genuine change in the Arab counties.
I'm sure some leaders might be more willing to change than others- but I still have to agree with Alan R, that many in the Arab world will never welcome a Jewish state, and that this is an attempt to get Israel to GIVE UP control without their side giving up anything.

There are times when you want to be proven right, But the truth is .. I would love to be proven wrong.

Larry Lubell/ UrbanBlog